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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.engayment.org/uncategorized/homophobia-alive-and-well-in-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I can only say that I am flabbergasted at the amount of hate that appears to consume our society. Honestly the number of heterosexual men that have the time and the inclination to post horrid hateful entries absolutely astounds me. Even Ray from Mazda at Brookvale who was so completely consumed he used his work email. Silly boy!

To those posting words of kindness and support I can only assume you are the more intelligent human beings who were actually able to UNDERSTAND the issues at hand. It appears all those other haters have the intelligence of small gnats (sorry if you don&#039;t understand that haters, look it up!)

To you Andrew, stand strong and do have a merry christmas. I hope that somewhere someday the person who this battle does end up helping will let you know it helped, and that you did not recieve all the hate and abuse for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I can only say that I am flabbergasted at the amount of hate that appears to consume our society. Honestly the number of heterosexual men that have the time and the inclination to post horrid hateful entries absolutely astounds me. Even Ray from Mazda at Brookvale who was so completely consumed he used his work email. Silly boy!</p>
<p>To those posting words of kindness and support I can only assume you are the more intelligent human beings who were actually able to UNDERSTAND the issues at hand. It appears all those other haters have the intelligence of small gnats (sorry if you don&#8217;t understand that haters, look it up!)</p>
<p>To you Andrew, stand strong and do have a merry christmas. I hope that somewhere someday the person who this battle does end up helping will let you know it helped, and that you did not recieve all the hate and abuse for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.engayment.org/uncategorized/homophobia-alive-and-well-in-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello
Andrew, I don’t know how you stand it. Some of these people are SICK. I love it how gay people keep saying “I don’t want to get married” GREAT I DO!!!! That’s the point. Straight people have the option, we don’t. “It’s just a piece of paper”? No it’s respect. It’s about giving my relationship the same respect you’re given. I don’t want to take anything away from you’re marriage; I just want mine to be recognized. 
O and you defiantly deserve this web page. 

IDK

George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello<br />
Andrew, I don’t know how you stand it. Some of these people are SICK. I love it how gay people keep saying “I don’t want to get married” GREAT I DO!!!! That’s the point. Straight people have the option, we don’t. “It’s just a piece of paper”? No it’s respect. It’s about giving my relationship the same respect you’re given. I don’t want to take anything away from you’re marriage; I just want mine to be recognized.<br />
O and you defiantly deserve this web page. </p>
<p>IDK</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan of Wollongong NSW</title>
		<link>http://www.engayment.org/uncategorized/homophobia-alive-and-well-in-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan of Wollongong NSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh the irony..

The IP address of the homohater &#039;Aussie Male&#039; resolves to a TELSTRA Bigpond account in QLD:

nslookup
Name:    CPE-121-222-245-226.qld.bigpond.net.au
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh the irony..</p>
<p>The IP address of the homohater &#8216;Aussie Male&#8217; resolves to a TELSTRA Bigpond account in QLD:</p>
<p>nslookup<br />
Name:    CPE-121-222-245-226.qld.bigpond.net.au<br />
Address:  121.222.245.226</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Male</title>
		<link>http://www.engayment.org/uncategorized/homophobia-alive-and-well-in-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie Male</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You faggots make me sick, you should never be allowed to desecrate the sanctity of marriage, marriage is between a man and a woman and if you want to love men (you sick fuck) you miss out. (forever)

The government is completely right in what they are doing, by denying you sick idiots any rights whatsoever will help society become a lot more safe and civil place. Sometimes I do actually feel sorry for you queer cunts that your genes are so fucked up that you turned out the way you have. I just hope they find an antidote for your sickness or better still immunisation for what you poor fuckwits have.....

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&lt;blockquote&gt;If anyone is interested in making some kind of complaint about this guy, here are his details: 
Email: peterg@optusnet.com.au
121.222.245.226
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You faggots make me sick, you should never be allowed to desecrate the sanctity of marriage, marriage is between a man and a woman and if you want to love men (you sick fuck) you miss out. (forever)</p>
<p>The government is completely right in what they are doing, by denying you sick idiots any rights whatsoever will help society become a lot more safe and civil place. Sometimes I do actually feel sorry for you queer cunts that your genes are so fucked up that you turned out the way you have. I just hope they find an antidote for your sickness or better still immunisation for what you poor fuckwits have&#8230;..</p>
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<blockquote><p>If anyone is interested in making some kind of complaint about this guy, here are his details:<br />
Email: <a href="mailto:peterg@optusnet.com.au">peterg@optusnet.com.au</a><br />
121.222.245.226
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		<title>By: gardoki</title>
		<link>http://www.engayment.org/uncategorized/homophobia-alive-and-well-in-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>gardoki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude seriously, you really do need to let this go. There are times in life where you can&#039;t do anything about the circumstances that life hands you.

Take me for example...i suffer from depression, and because of that I was fired from my job because they didnt think i could perform my job properly anymore. 

due to a whole heap of different workplace laws, theres nothing i can do - no unfair dismissal, nothing like that. i just had to cop it on the chin and move on. and i did! sure, i was pissed off for quite a while, but i accepted the fact that this world is full of jerk offs and sometimes youve gotta deal with the shit they deal out. 
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Response from andrew@engayment.org
&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m sorry that happened to you. I can understand how hard it must be to get fired when you don&#039;t feel you should have been.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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and on the marriage side of things...whats the big deal? if youve got a partner that you care about and they care about you, whats the point of having a piece of paper that says &#039;legally joined&#039;? hell, id hate to get married personally. luckily my girlfriend feels the same way.
&lt;div class=&quot;whitebox&quot;&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;If you and your girlfriend were refused Marriage rights, you might find that you&#039;d understand a bit more. It&#039;s interesting how the only people who say &quot;It&#039;s just a piece of paper&quot; are the ones who are able to acquire the piece of paper if they want it - (heterosexual people).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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one last thing, you say that the ad is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; worthy of a Human Rights and Equality Opportunity Commission Complaint, so why do you want to make one, and why so upset that you cant? 
&lt;div class=&quot;whitebox&quot;&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;I didn&#039;t make one. I&#039;m upset that I can&#039;t make a complaint to the Australian Human Rights Commission about any form of discrimination (except employment) when all other groups can.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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believe me dude it&#039;d be great if this whole thing wasn&#039;t an issue. unfortunately, theres always gonna be ignorance in this world, theres always gonna be some morons who say gay marriage is wrong. if you want to be free of criticism for your sexual preferences, youd have to stay in the closet.
&lt;div class=&quot;whitebox&quot;&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;I agree, there is ignorance, a lot of it is landing in my inbox. I&#039;m okay with criticism. And thank you for your comment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude seriously, you really do need to let this go. There are times in life where you can&#8217;t do anything about the circumstances that life hands you.</p>
<p>Take me for example&#8230;i suffer from depression, and because of that I was fired from my job because they didnt think i could perform my job properly anymore. </p>
<p>due to a whole heap of different workplace laws, theres nothing i can do &#8211; no unfair dismissal, nothing like that. i just had to cop it on the chin and move on. and i did! sure, i was pissed off for quite a while, but i accepted the fact that this world is full of jerk offs and sometimes youve gotta deal with the shit they deal out. </p>
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Response from <a href="mailto:andrew@engayment.org">andrew@engayment.org</a></p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m sorry that happened to you. I can understand how hard it must be to get fired when you don&#8217;t feel you should have been.</p></blockquote>
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<p>and on the marriage side of things&#8230;whats the big deal? if youve got a partner that you care about and they care about you, whats the point of having a piece of paper that says &#8216;legally joined&#8217;? hell, id hate to get married personally. luckily my girlfriend feels the same way.</p>
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<blockquote><p>If you and your girlfriend were refused Marriage rights, you might find that you&#8217;d understand a bit more. It&#8217;s interesting how the only people who say &#8220;It&#8217;s just a piece of paper&#8221; are the ones who are able to acquire the piece of paper if they want it &#8211; (heterosexual people).</p></blockquote>
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<p>one last thing, you say that the ad is <b>not</b> worthy of a Human Rights and Equality Opportunity Commission Complaint, so why do you want to make one, and why so upset that you cant? </p>
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<blockquote><p>I didn&#8217;t make one. I&#8217;m upset that I can&#8217;t make a complaint to the Australian Human Rights Commission about any form of discrimination (except employment) when all other groups can.</p></blockquote>
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<p>believe me dude it&#8217;d be great if this whole thing wasn&#8217;t an issue. unfortunately, theres always gonna be ignorance in this world, theres always gonna be some morons who say gay marriage is wrong. if you want to be free of criticism for your sexual preferences, youd have to stay in the closet.</p>
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<blockquote><p>I agree, there is ignorance, a lot of it is landing in my inbox. I&#8217;m okay with criticism. And thank you for your comment.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Sebastian of Glebe NSW</title>
		<link>http://www.engayment.org/uncategorized/homophobia-alive-and-well-in-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian of Glebe NSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us get this straight(!) . A guy deconstructs a Telstra ad and finds a sublime message alluding to that titillating tension that arises when two guys are caught in a tent late at night.  Are they doing something naughty?  Oh they’re just watching cricket on a mobile phone. Hardy har-har. Even if a whole nation demanded I get a sense of humour I still would not find this stupid ad funny.  

So anyway this guy raises an issue about the potential political implications of this sublime sense of humour, and learns that in Australia in 2008, gays and lesbians do not enjoy the same levels of protection against discrimination as other groups.  This, in my view, is a bit of a scoop, and deserves to be publicly debated.  

Unfortunately, a whole nation unites to silence this guy by calling him queen, princess, wanker, idiot, knob….  This is not because Australians in 2008 suffer from illiteracy.  Rather, it is because Australians, in 2008, are still latently homophobic.  As soon as a gay activist raises an issue, it’s “shut the f**k up and get a life”.  

I’d also like to point out to all those neo-con gays who seem to enthusiastically side with the homophobic bogans who engage in derogatory name calling, that it is YOU who take us 20 years back. It is YOU, not Andrew, who should shut the f**k up and get a life.  You’re the conformist “we’re just like everyone else” gays who stifle social progress by refusing to acknowledge that this is your battle too.  It is YOU that do not deserve to be gay.  You should be ashamed of yourselves, because you have no balls, you have no courage to stand up for us.  You have the gay activists of the Stonewall riots and of the Pride movement to thank for the rights you now enjoy.

It is people like Andrew who make a difference, who dare to raise issues publicly and to point out the deficiencies in our legal system.  The rest of you mainstream gays, go back to your clubs, your dance parties, your fitness firsts and gym buddies, and let Andrew fight your battle why don’t you.  You’re the judgemental scum of the gay community and with a lack of better words to use because of my sheer frustration, unless you have the guts to join in this battle, then do us all a favour and shut the fuck up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us get this straight(!) . A guy deconstructs a Telstra ad and finds a sublime message alluding to that titillating tension that arises when two guys are caught in a tent late at night.  Are they doing something naughty?  Oh they’re just watching cricket on a mobile phone. Hardy har-har. Even if a whole nation demanded I get a sense of humour I still would not find this stupid ad funny.  </p>
<p>So anyway this guy raises an issue about the potential political implications of this sublime sense of humour, and learns that in Australia in 2008, gays and lesbians do not enjoy the same levels of protection against discrimination as other groups.  This, in my view, is a bit of a scoop, and deserves to be publicly debated.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, a whole nation unites to silence this guy by calling him queen, princess, wanker, idiot, knob….  This is not because Australians in 2008 suffer from illiteracy.  Rather, it is because Australians, in 2008, are still latently homophobic.  As soon as a gay activist raises an issue, it’s “shut the f**k up and get a life”.  </p>
<p>I’d also like to point out to all those neo-con gays who seem to enthusiastically side with the homophobic bogans who engage in derogatory name calling, that it is YOU who take us 20 years back. It is YOU, not Andrew, who should shut the f**k up and get a life.  You’re the conformist “we’re just like everyone else” gays who stifle social progress by refusing to acknowledge that this is your battle too.  It is YOU that do not deserve to be gay.  You should be ashamed of yourselves, because you have no balls, you have no courage to stand up for us.  You have the gay activists of the Stonewall riots and of the Pride movement to thank for the rights you now enjoy.</p>
<p>It is people like Andrew who make a difference, who dare to raise issues publicly and to point out the deficiencies in our legal system.  The rest of you mainstream gays, go back to your clubs, your dance parties, your fitness firsts and gym buddies, and let Andrew fight your battle why don’t you.  You’re the judgemental scum of the gay community and with a lack of better words to use because of my sheer frustration, unless you have the guts to join in this battle, then do us all a favour and shut the fuck up.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan of Wollongong NSW</title>
		<link>http://www.engayment.org/uncategorized/homophobia-alive-and-well-in-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan of Wollongong NSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read your blog now and can see the underlying point you&#039;ve been making. I also read Joe Hildebrand&#039;s &quot;article&quot; when it was published and remember instinctively raising an eyebrow, now I know I had good reason to. Ignore the angry letter writers because they don&#039;t get it and they don&#039;t matter because this is not about most of them.

The Rudd government (with whom I am in no way affiliated, just to be clear) has formed an inquiry into some form of Australian Charter of Rights. It that happens and/or a federal Sexuality Discrimination Bill happens, on top of existing state-based Anti-Discrimination legislation, would those things address the concerns you&#039;ve been raising?

Another part of the equation, in my view, is separating Church &amp; State in Australia ( http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54429760859 ). This is the only way our government and public institutions can hope to fully move forward with fairness for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read your blog now and can see the underlying point you&#8217;ve been making. I also read Joe Hildebrand&#8217;s &#8220;article&#8221; when it was published and remember instinctively raising an eyebrow, now I know I had good reason to. Ignore the angry letter writers because they don&#8217;t get it and they don&#8217;t matter because this is not about most of them.</p>
<p>The Rudd government (with whom I am in no way affiliated, just to be clear) has formed an inquiry into some form of Australian Charter of Rights. It that happens and/or a federal Sexuality Discrimination Bill happens, on top of existing state-based Anti-Discrimination legislation, would those things address the concerns you&#8217;ve been raising?</p>
<p>Another part of the equation, in my view, is separating Church &amp; State in Australia ( <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54429760859" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54429760859</a> ). This is the only way our government and public institutions can hope to fully move forward with fairness for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayman</title>
		<link>http://www.engayment.org/uncategorized/homophobia-alive-and-well-in-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Gayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STOP SPEAKING FOR THE GAY SOCIETY - YOU HAVE DONE MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD, ALL OVER NOTHING. I HOPE THEY MAKE MORE ADS LIKE THAT ONE, BECAUSE I COULDN&#039;T CARE LESS....


YOU DON&#039;T DESERVE TO BE GAY - YOUR AS BAD AS THE HOMOPHOBES THAT RULE THIS WORLD AND ALWAYS WILL !
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Response from andrew@engayment.org
&lt;blockquote&gt;I am sorry, I can&#039;t even think of how to respond to your mindless rant. Thanks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STOP SPEAKING FOR THE GAY SOCIETY &#8211; YOU HAVE DONE MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD, ALL OVER NOTHING. I HOPE THEY MAKE MORE ADS LIKE THAT ONE, BECAUSE I COULDN&#8217;T CARE LESS&#8230;.</p>
<p>YOU DON&#8217;T DESERVE TO BE GAY &#8211; YOUR AS BAD AS THE HOMOPHOBES THAT RULE THIS WORLD AND ALWAYS WILL !</p>
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Response from <a href="mailto:andrew@engayment.org">andrew@engayment.org</a></p>
<blockquote><p>I am sorry, I can&#8217;t even think of how to respond to your mindless rant. Thanks.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Limbic</title>
		<link>http://www.engayment.org/uncategorized/homophobia-alive-and-well-in-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Limbic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again - stop your whinging, Australia is not a homophobic country, its people like you that make people more so by carrying on with your ridiculous complaints about totally irrelevant things.
&lt;div class=&quot;whitebox&quot;&gt;
Response from andrew@engayment.org
&lt;blockquote&gt;Australia is not a homophobic country? Hmm, do you live in a glass box? Or a closet or something? I don&#039;t make people homophobic, no matter what I do or say. If my making this site to lobby for Gay Marriage makes people more homophobic, so be it. I want to get married, and unlike you, I&#039;m doing something about it. What have you done to fight for same-sex marriage? Anything at all?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
My god - a stupid TV commercial, no wonder no agency wanted to deal with your trivial complaint, I think Joe has every right to write what he has, hopefully it will stop imbeciles like yourself making it harder for all gays to live in the community without being discriminated upon.
&lt;div class=&quot;whitebox&quot;&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s interesting how you keep referring to God before every sentence, you did it on your other post too. If you read what I wrote, you&#039;d have read (I keep repeating myself on this) that I did not make a complaint with any agency about Telstra. 
If you agree with Joe, thats fine, you&#039;re entitled to your opinion, so am I. But you should know that Joe was not motivated by anything other than money. Joe doesn&#039;t care if you or I can one day get married. Joe wanted his advertisements clicked, to do that he had to make me look stupid, and he did a bloody good job. But in the mean time gay people are being discrimintated against every day, I can&#039;t stop that. But when a Federal Government department discriminates against me, I will make a fuss. I am sorry if that upsets you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
I am gay and proud of it and also have a sense of humour which you seem to lack, marriage is nothing more than a peace of paper, if you need to have that to have a meaningful relationship, I do feel sorry for you.
&lt;div class=&quot;whitebox&quot;&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Im glad that you&#039;re proud of being gay, so am I. I&#039;m also proud of myself for standing up for what I believe in. In being proud of yourself for being gay, surely you&#039;d agree that being discriminated against by a Federal Government agency is not acceptable? My guess is that until you&#039;re in a situation where the Federal Government says &#039;Sorry Limbic, we don&#039;t care that you&#039;re gay, it&#039;s not our problem&#039;, you will continue to assume everything is fine. But, if the homophobic responses from thousands of Australians that I personally received yesterday are anything to go by, everything is not fine. In fact, we have a bit of a problem with homophobia here.

Marriage is nothing more than a [peace] of paper? Marriage to me, is much more than a PIECE of paper. I think Marriage is more than &lt;strong&gt;just &lt;/strong&gt;a piece of paper to the people who don&#039;t want Gay people to be allowed to married too. 

If marriage was a meaningless piece of paper, they&#039;d let me have one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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Anyway I hope in the future you will think before you act and take into 
consideration what your actions may do to other proud gays who love this country and its people.

You don&#039;t deserve to have a website - get a sense of humour first !
&lt;div class=&quot;whitebox&quot;&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;My favorite Comedian is Margaret Cho, and she picks on gay people almost as much as she picks on herself. The difference between Margaret Cho&#039;s humour and Telstra&#039;s humour, is that Margaret&#039;s jokes humorously demonstrate the terrible homophobia that inflicts us all (even you, though you might not have experienced it yet), and Telstra&#039;s jokes are designed to do only one thing: Make money. (Also, Margaret&#039;s jokes are funny, Telstra&#039;s wasn&#039;t.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again &#8211; stop your whinging, Australia is not a homophobic country, its people like you that make people more so by carrying on with your ridiculous complaints about totally irrelevant things.</p>
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Response from <a href="mailto:andrew@engayment.org">andrew@engayment.org</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Australia is not a homophobic country? Hmm, do you live in a glass box? Or a closet or something? I don&#8217;t make people homophobic, no matter what I do or say. If my making this site to lobby for Gay Marriage makes people more homophobic, so be it. I want to get married, and unlike you, I&#8217;m doing something about it. What have you done to fight for same-sex marriage? Anything at all?</p></blockquote>
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<p>My god &#8211; a stupid TV commercial, no wonder no agency wanted to deal with your trivial complaint, I think Joe has every right to write what he has, hopefully it will stop imbeciles like yourself making it harder for all gays to live in the community without being discriminated upon.</p>
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<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s interesting how you keep referring to God before every sentence, you did it on your other post too. If you read what I wrote, you&#8217;d have read (I keep repeating myself on this) that I did not make a complaint with any agency about Telstra.<br />
If you agree with Joe, thats fine, you&#8217;re entitled to your opinion, so am I. But you should know that Joe was not motivated by anything other than money. Joe doesn&#8217;t care if you or I can one day get married. Joe wanted his advertisements clicked, to do that he had to make me look stupid, and he did a bloody good job. But in the mean time gay people are being discrimintated against every day, I can&#8217;t stop that. But when a Federal Government department discriminates against me, I will make a fuss. I am sorry if that upsets you.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I am gay and proud of it and also have a sense of humour which you seem to lack, marriage is nothing more than a peace of paper, if you need to have that to have a meaningful relationship, I do feel sorry for you.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Im glad that you&#8217;re proud of being gay, so am I. I&#8217;m also proud of myself for standing up for what I believe in. In being proud of yourself for being gay, surely you&#8217;d agree that being discriminated against by a Federal Government agency is not acceptable? My guess is that until you&#8217;re in a situation where the Federal Government says &#8216;Sorry Limbic, we don&#8217;t care that you&#8217;re gay, it&#8217;s not our problem&#8217;, you will continue to assume everything is fine. But, if the homophobic responses from thousands of Australians that I personally received yesterday are anything to go by, everything is not fine. In fact, we have a bit of a problem with homophobia here.</p>
<p>Marriage is nothing more than a [peace] of paper? Marriage to me, is much more than a PIECE of paper. I think Marriage is more than <strong>just </strong>a piece of paper to the people who don&#8217;t want Gay people to be allowed to married too. </p>
<p>If marriage was a meaningless piece of paper, they&#8217;d let me have one.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Anyway I hope in the future you will think before you act and take into<br />
consideration what your actions may do to other proud gays who love this country and its people.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t deserve to have a website &#8211; get a sense of humour first !</p>
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<blockquote><p>My favorite Comedian is Margaret Cho, and she picks on gay people almost as much as she picks on herself. The difference between Margaret Cho&#8217;s humour and Telstra&#8217;s humour, is that Margaret&#8217;s jokes humorously demonstrate the terrible homophobia that inflicts us all (even you, though you might not have experienced it yet), and Telstra&#8217;s jokes are designed to do only one thing: Make money. (Also, Margaret&#8217;s jokes are funny, Telstra&#8217;s wasn&#8217;t.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mihai Bucur</title>
		<link>http://www.engayment.org/uncategorized/homophobia-alive-and-well-in-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Mihai Bucur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, I really think you&#039;re blowing this out of all proportion and, as a consequence, actually making it harder for the gay rights movement. I do appreciate your passion for your cause and for this reason I condemn all of the horrible things that have been written about you. But I&#039;d just like to let you know that the gay rights situation in Australia is not how you have described it.

In Australia, anti-discrimination law is primarily a state rather than federal matter. Nearly all of the states have very comprehensive anti-discrimination laws in place to protect LGBT people from a wide range of discrimination, not only in employment, but also in the provision of goods and services, education, health care, etc. In many states, including NSW, there are also protections against vilification of gay people (hate speech, etc).

So, the respond to your gym example: if a gym owned were to refuse you admission because of your real or perceived sexual orientation, that would be against the law in NSW. You could easily make a complaint to the NSW Anti-Discrimination Board.

I support a federal law banning sexual orientation discrimination beyond employment, but it would not actually make that much difference in practical terms. The major beneficiaries of such a law would be those dealing with federal agencies who may not always be subject to state anti-discrimination laws.

And again, as I outlined in a previous post, you CAN make a complaint to the NSW Anti-Discrimination Board about the Telstra ad if you so wish.

I am strongly in favour of same-sex marriage, but I don&#039;t see how complaining about the AHRC&#039;s inability to tackle sexual orientation discrimination in the provision of advertising helps the same-sex marriage movement.

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Response from Andrew@engayment.org
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;If it works broke, don&#039;t fix it&quot; - Right? Wrong.
I&#039;m sorry Mihai, but that&#039;s just not good enough. I should not have to trawl through NSW legislation to figure out how to protect myself from discrimination, when everyone else can go to www.humanrights.gov.au. 

Same-sex Marriage is not supported by the Government and it is certainly not supported by the Federal Opposition. The Federal Government has legislation in place that protects people, federally (Australia Wide), from discrimination against their, age, gender, race, disability, marital status and pregnancy. Why then, should there not also be legislation in place that protects people, federally (Australia Wide), from discrimination against their sexuality?

I will be posting Tanya Plibersek&#039;s response to my letter this afternoon, and you will see why I&#039;m saying that there are serious shortcomings in federal policy on GLBT rights. Marriage is the final frontier. How do you propose we will ever get there, if we don&#039;t have the same rights of federal protection as someone who falls into the categories mentioned above.

I&#039;m a Gay Australian Man. Not just a Gay Man from NSW. 
If the Federal Government will protect my Mother because she&#039;s a paraplegic, and my Grandmother for being old, and My Sister for being pregnant, but not me for being gay, then I will complain about it until it changes. 

I&#039;m sorry for you if you don&#039;t agree that this is important.

Thank you for your post, and thank you for not being abusive.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I really think you&#8217;re blowing this out of all proportion and, as a consequence, actually making it harder for the gay rights movement. I do appreciate your passion for your cause and for this reason I condemn all of the horrible things that have been written about you. But I&#8217;d just like to let you know that the gay rights situation in Australia is not how you have described it.</p>
<p>In Australia, anti-discrimination law is primarily a state rather than federal matter. Nearly all of the states have very comprehensive anti-discrimination laws in place to protect LGBT people from a wide range of discrimination, not only in employment, but also in the provision of goods and services, education, health care, etc. In many states, including NSW, there are also protections against vilification of gay people (hate speech, etc).</p>
<p>So, the respond to your gym example: if a gym owned were to refuse you admission because of your real or perceived sexual orientation, that would be against the law in NSW. You could easily make a complaint to the NSW Anti-Discrimination Board.</p>
<p>I support a federal law banning sexual orientation discrimination beyond employment, but it would not actually make that much difference in practical terms. The major beneficiaries of such a law would be those dealing with federal agencies who may not always be subject to state anti-discrimination laws.</p>
<p>And again, as I outlined in a previous post, you CAN make a complaint to the NSW Anti-Discrimination Board about the Telstra ad if you so wish.</p>
<p>I am strongly in favour of same-sex marriage, but I don&#8217;t see how complaining about the AHRC&#8217;s inability to tackle sexual orientation discrimination in the provision of advertising helps the same-sex marriage movement.</p>
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Response from <a href="mailto:Andrew@engayment.org">Andrew@engayment.org</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If it works broke, don&#8217;t fix it&#8221; &#8211; Right? Wrong.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry Mihai, but that&#8217;s just not good enough. I should not have to trawl through NSW legislation to figure out how to protect myself from discrimination, when everyone else can go to <a href="http://www.humanrights.gov.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.humanrights.gov.au</a>. </p>
<p>Same-sex Marriage is not supported by the Government and it is certainly not supported by the Federal Opposition. The Federal Government has legislation in place that protects people, federally (Australia Wide), from discrimination against their, age, gender, race, disability, marital status and pregnancy. Why then, should there not also be legislation in place that protects people, federally (Australia Wide), from discrimination against their sexuality?</p>
<p>I will be posting Tanya Plibersek&#8217;s response to my letter this afternoon, and you will see why I&#8217;m saying that there are serious shortcomings in federal policy on GLBT rights. Marriage is the final frontier. How do you propose we will ever get there, if we don&#8217;t have the same rights of federal protection as someone who falls into the categories mentioned above.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Gay Australian Man. Not just a Gay Man from NSW.<br />
If the Federal Government will protect my Mother because she&#8217;s a paraplegic, and my Grandmother for being old, and My Sister for being pregnant, but not me for being gay, then I will complain about it until it changes. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for you if you don&#8217;t agree that this is important.</p>
<p>Thank you for your post, and thank you for not being abusive.
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