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		<title>&#8216;Gays are going to Hell&#8217; &#8211; According to Joe from News Limited</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe Hildebrand from the Daily Telegraph is using his News Limited position as a platform to encourage homophobia and voice his own homophobic ideals.
Joe was the journalist (if that&#8217;s what you can call him) who twisted my words and put my doctored face all over the national press on Tuesday.
Today Joe posted that Gays are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h5><span style="color: #1d93d0;">Joe Hildebrand from the Daily Telegraph is using his News Limited position as a platform to encourage homophobia and voice his own homophobic ideals.</span></h5>
<p>Joe was the <em>journalist</em> (if that&#8217;s what you can call him) who twisted my words and put my doctored face all over the national press on Tuesday.</p>
<p>Today Joe posted that <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/joehildebrand/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/gays_are_going_to_hell/">Gays are going to Hell on his News Limited Editorial</a><br />
- There is a chance that he is trying to be funny, but in the words of one of the commenters on this blog, <strong>&#8216;Even if a whole nation tried to convince me otherwise, I still wouldn&#8217;t find this funny.&#8217;</strong></p>
<p>Imagine if he wrote <strong>&#8216;Blacks are going to Hell&#8217;  </strong>- Is it still funny then?</p>
<h4><span style="color: #1d93d0;">Also, why is Joe emailing me to wish me a Happy Christmas?</span></h4>
<p>We had a discussion on the phone on 2UE radio on Tuesday Night. Ben Fordham threw Joe on the line as a surprise &#8211; Thanks Ben.</p>
<p>In that conversation, Joe was unapologetic for his actions and tried to make out like it was all a bit of fun. He said that he had emailed me explaining himself, and I pointed to his dishonesty by explaining that I&#8217;d not received any contact from him at all, since he had posted his <em>article</em> in the paper.</p>
<p>Yesterday, he emailed me to wish me a Happy Christmas. I especially like the part where he spells my name wrong.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Hi Anderw,</p>
<p>This is what I thought I had sent you. Might have got stuck.</p>
<p>Happy Christmas.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Joe</p>
<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>The article I was referring to was mine, not yours. I’m sorry you didn’t find the opinion piece funny. I suppose that’s a recurring theme. Thanks for your time yesterday.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Joe</p></blockquote>
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<p>Joe,</p>
<p>You wish me a Happy Christmas?</p>
<p>People are abusing me because you twisted my words and made me look like a moron &#8211; <em>&#8216;In this case, Andrew James wanted to be discriminated against by Telstra&#8217;</em> &#8211; You know my complaint had nothing to do with Telstra.</p>
<p>Also, I know it was you that gave Marcus Middleton from Channel 7 my private phone number without my permission.</p>
<p>I really hope that one day Joe, if you get married (which is legal by the way &#8211; unless you&#8217;re gay), and you have a child, that your child turns out to be a Homosexual. I wonder if that day ever comes, how you will explain to your gay son or daughter, that you vilified (through me) an entire minority group &#8211; for money.</p>
<p>You trick people, and spread hate for money, and that makes you a very despicable person.</p>
<p>Happy Christmas? No, I don&#8217;t think so Joe.</p>
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		<title>Thanks Joe, you&#8217;re my ray of sunshine</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My complaint is not with Telstra, or their stupid Ad.
My complaint is with HREOC for not treating sexual preference discrimination the same as all other types. 
Joe from the Telegraph took my words out of context and misrepresented what I said.
I was contacted by Joe at the Daily Telegraph about my blog. How he found it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h5><span style="color: #1d93d0;">My complaint is not with Telstra, or their stupid Ad.<br />
My complaint is with HREOC for not treating sexual preference discrimination the same as all other types. </span></h5>
<h5><span style="color: #1d93d0;"><strong><span style="color: #1d93d0;">Joe from the Telegraph took my words out of context and misrepresented what I said</span>.</strong></span></h5>
<p>I was contacted by Joe at the Daily Telegraph about my blog. How he found it so soon, when I only started it a few weeks ago makes the mind wander off to a scary place indeed. Joe at his sticky keyboard googling anything with the word gay hoping to find someone he could publicly embarrass, so that his boss might not fire him for being a crappy blogger? After all, he does work for News Limited, what else do they have to do over there? Surely reporters have <a title="Google News" href="http://news.google.com.au/nwshp?tab=wn&amp;ned=au&amp;topic=w">no need to write about any of these, what do you call it&#8230;.news things</a>?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really grateful that Joe superimposed my picture over the tent scene.  It makes me look fantastic, and scary. Here is the before and after:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.engayment.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/beforejoe.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-192" title="Before Joe's handywork" src="http://www.engayment.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/beforejoe-228x300.jpg" alt="Before Joe's handywork" width="228" height="300" /></a><a href="http://www.engayment.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/afterjoe.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-193" title="After Joe's Handywork" src="http://www.engayment.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/afterjoe-252x300.jpg" alt="After Joe's Handywork" width="252" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>I almost feel like I was in the tent with the thespians, pretending to have gay sex. I wonder if Joe considered putting a moustache on my picture too? Another time perhaps, when he is home alone.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth mentioning, I did send another picture to Joe but he chose not to use it. I think I look much better in this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.engayment.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/lookinglessbad.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-196 alignleft" title="Not looking so bad" src="http://www.engayment.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/lookinglessbad-300x225.jpg" alt="Not looking so bad" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s better if your Gay activists look mean, so, he picked the one he could work with, even if it did involve drawing in an imaginary jaw line where the white light managed to wash me out. What better way to make your Gay activists look bad than to cut out their pictures and superimpose them over a dark background with big angry white text. (For the record, I&#8217;m not your mate Joe, or Telstras for that matter).</p>
<p>I looked for a picture of Joe to see if I could return the favour, but sadly, there are only two, and they&#8217;re bad enough on there own. Here&#8217;s the best of them; I like to call him, baby Joe, cause this is as big as it gets, possibly in more ways than one.<br />
Say hello baby joe :<br />
<img class="size-full wp-image-197 alignnone" title="Baby Joe" src="http://www.engayment.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/babyjoe.jpg" alt="Baby Joe" width="88" height="66" /><br />
He would say hello back, but he doesn&#8217;t have anything nice to say.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #1d93d0;">Now that my vanity can be swept aside, onto the issue at hand.</span></h5>
<p>My blog was designed to point out the discrepancies I encountered with our <strong>Governement</strong>, specifically surrounding Government Policy on same sex marriage in Australia. I encountered a discrepancy when I attempted to make a complaint about a homophobic Telstra Commercial. I did not alert the press about my intention to complain to HREOC, and I was not after media attention. I was just wanting to complain that the ad offended me.</p>
<p>But I received this lovely email from Joe this morning, which made me (believe it or not) think that someone might actually care. I asked him how he found my site, he was shady on the details; &#8220;Oh, I don&#8217;t know, someone forwarded it to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the email:</p>
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<blockquote><p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Joe Hildebrand from The Daily Telegraph here. I read about your experience with the Human Rights Commission and thought it would make an interesting story. Could you please call me on xxx xxx xxx when you can?</p>
<p>Thanks very much.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Joe</p></blockquote>
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<p>Joe seemed nice right? I called him, and he was lovely on the phone. He wanted to know what upset me about the Telstra Commercial, and I told him that, &#8220;What upset me is, we are only led to believe that the two men in the tent are gay because they are afraid when they get caught by their other buddies. The look of fear on their face is the reason we assume they are gay not that we saw shadowy sex through the tent. What&#8217;s worse,  the characters in the ad are redeemed in the end, much to the audiences releif, when we find out that they are in fact not gay, but rather, watching sport on their cell phone.&#8221;<br />
How funny. Sorry Graeme Innes, Commissioner of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission, I still don&#8217;t get it, unless I try to think like the kind of idiot who&#8217;d want to watch anything on a mobile phone whilst paying for Telstra&#8217;s ridiculous data rates.</p>
<p>Joe said that my encounter with HREOC would make an interesting story, and it would be one that hopefully sparks some debate. Little did I know, that Joe would be on the opposite side of the debate, <strong>batting for the other team</strong>,as it were.</p>
<p>Then Joe went on his photo rant, demanding I allow a Telagraph photographer to catpure me in the moment. &#8220;We want to take a picture of you looking angry in front of a computer or something.&#8221;  I explained that I could not take time off work and have my picture taken in my work uniform. I offered to send him whatever pictures I had on my computer. I did, I wish I hadn&#8217;t.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #1d93d0;">Two important Facts, that are sadly lost amongst Joe&#8217;s witless rant and my scary picture</span></h5>
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<li>I <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">did not</span></strong> complain to Commissioner Graeme Innes of the HREOC about the Telstra Commercial, (which as hard as I try, I still cannot find funny.)</li>
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<li>I complained to the HREOC that when I had attempted to complain to them about the Telstra Commercial, I was given no opportunity to complain as being gay allows me to only complain if I&#8217;m discriminated against in employment. Sexual Preference is a category of discrimination not severe enough to warrant the attention of the HREOC (unless its because you get sacked). Sexual Preference is a category of discrimination equal only to discrimination against convicted criminals, political extremists, and religious fanatics.<br />
Here are the options you get: (click for larger version)<br />
<a href="http://www.engayment.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/humanrightmyarse.gif" target="_blank"></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="aligncenter size-thumbnail wp-image-60" title="HumanRights.gov.au" src="http://www.engayment.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/humanrightmyarse-150x150.gif" alt="HumanRights.gov.au" width="150" height="150" /></p>
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<p>Now, I have to give Joe a tiny bit of credit. He did manage to pretend to be nice through an email and an entire phone call. Good Job Joe!</p>
<p>What did I learn, apart from the fact that News Limited continues to hire people who are both bad writers who are only good at twisting other people&#8217;s words to try to milk a story out of nothing?</p>
<p><strong>I learned that these are the people who make it harder for me to gain equality and hopefully one day get married. These people are the ones who make it harder for teens coping with homosexuality to accept who they are.</strong></p>
<h4><span style="color: #1d93d0;">I don&#8217;t want special Treatment. I just want to get bloody Married.</span></h4>
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